77 KZ650. 2 Cold Pipes, Good Spark, Dreading Carb removal.
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77 KZ650. 2 Cold Pipes, Good Spark, Dreading Carb removal.
27 Oct 2022 13:32
The backstory is, i left the bike sit too long.
It now seems like its only running on two cylinders. Only pipes 1 & 2 get hot.
I checked the plugs - they are good.
I changed the fuel filter.
I checked the coil Check am getting good spark on cylinders 3 & 4 but the exhaust pipes only get warm. Held 3 & 4 wires with the spark plugs in the boot, against the engine and saw good spark.
Am I correct in thinking its a fuel delivery issue in the carbs? and why would only 3 & 4 passageways from the carbs get blocked?
I may have to take out the carbs. The bike still has the airbox. Ive heard it can be a challenge to remove the carbs. Any ideas? After this I may swtich to airpods!
It now seems like its only running on two cylinders. Only pipes 1 & 2 get hot.
I checked the plugs - they are good.
I changed the fuel filter.
I checked the coil Check am getting good spark on cylinders 3 & 4 but the exhaust pipes only get warm. Held 3 & 4 wires with the spark plugs in the boot, against the engine and saw good spark.
Am I correct in thinking its a fuel delivery issue in the carbs? and why would only 3 & 4 passageways from the carbs get blocked?
I may have to take out the carbs. The bike still has the airbox. Ive heard it can be a challenge to remove the carbs. Any ideas? After this I may swtich to airpods!
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Re: 77 KZ650. 2 Cold Pipes, Good Spark, Dreading Carb removal.
27 Oct 2022 14:25 - 27 Oct 2022 14:26
FWIW. I had an intermittent firing problem on #1 & # 2 and had what I thought was good spark, so I ruled out spark. But redoing the spark plug wire connections solved the problem. My motorcycle is a 1981 KZ650-CSR w stock electronic ignition & the plug wires can be unscrewed from the ignition coils.
Carburetor removal. Hard airbox ducts can make it difficult to remove the carburetors. If yours are hard, get new ones, then cut out the old as it's possible to break the airbox if the ducts are rock hard. New ducts should be soft & flexible.
Carburetor removal. Hard airbox ducts can make it difficult to remove the carburetors. If yours are hard, get new ones, then cut out the old as it's possible to break the airbox if the ducts are rock hard. New ducts should be soft & flexible.
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Re: 77 KZ650. 2 Cold Pipes, Good Spark, Dreading Carb removal.
27 Oct 2022 14:52FWIW. I had an intermittent firing problem on #1 & # 2 and had what I thought was good spark, so I ruled out spark. But redoing the spark plug wire connections solved the problem. My motorcycle is a 1981 KZ650-CSR w stock electronic ignition & the plug wires can be unscrewed from the ignition coils.
Carburetor removal. Hard airbox ducts can make it difficult to remove the carburetors. If yours are hard, get new ones, then cut out the old as it's possible to break the airbox if the ducts are rock hard. New ducts should be soft & flexible.
Im super confident its the carbs because the only think i did that caused this problem is let the bike sit. Def getting good spark. And I was thinking just as you suggested, to get new boots and cut the old ones out to make things easier.
thanks for responding.
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Re: 77 KZ650. 2 Cold Pipes, Good Spark, Dreading Carb removal.
27 Oct 2022 17:19
You would do well to go through the carbs completely, and replace all the O-rings. No sense in shortcutting now.
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Re: 77 KZ650. 2 Cold Pipes, Good Spark, Dreading Carb removal.
28 Oct 2022 06:51
Before solving the problem, I thought it was the carburetors & went ahead and did the complete disassembly & cleaning. It wasn't that hard: the same thing is done 4 times on a lot of stuff & most parts only go back one way, so it's hard to mess up. Previously I had removed the float bowls & some of the parts under there a couple of times, so that was some handy practice. Doing the overhaul is an opportunity to see exactly what you have. I've heard of mismatched jet needles & main jets, that sort of thing. or even missing parts.
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Re: 77 KZ650. 2 Cold Pipes, Good Spark, Dreading Carb removal.
29 Oct 2022 07:19
Story of my life. I have too many bikes (or so the wife tells me) and if I let one sit for too long it will be hard to start and won't run without choke. I pull the carbs and sure enough, the pilots are plugged. When will I learn? One thing you can try is some seafoam in the tank and just let it run for a while a few times. It might clear out on its own. Otherwise, pull them out (new air boots make this job much easier) and verify jets as martin_csr suggested and clean the carbs really well.
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Re: 77 KZ650. 2 Cold Pipes, Good Spark, Dreading Carb removal.
29 Oct 2022 12:33 - 29 Oct 2022 12:34
I tried the seafoam thing, no dice. So i will be pulling the carbs. I did order new carbs boots, but the ones on the bike are pretty OK. I will heat them up with a heat gun, and if they arent damaged in the process of carb removal and reinstall, then I will send the new ones I ordered, back to the seller.
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29 Oct 2022 15:23 - 29 Oct 2022 15:27
With today's gasoline you need to start the motor once a week to avoid plugging jets (KZ650 with 750 motor/CVK34 carbs) a fuel filter from the tank to the carbs is a big help.
I had no time to ride this Summer as my Son bought a house, so I would start my bike about once a week. I think I only put about 220km on it, rode it to my annual meet and back then parked it, so it sat there for 3 months.
I take the carbs off with no issues as the rubber are new, slip them thru the air box holes. I can also make jet changes by dropping the float bowls but I have smaller hands.
Recently drained the carbs and blew them out to store the bike, if you don't use compressed air they can get plugged pretty easily.
I had no time to ride this Summer as my Son bought a house, so I would start my bike about once a week. I think I only put about 220km on it, rode it to my annual meet and back then parked it, so it sat there for 3 months.
I take the carbs off with no issues as the rubber are new, slip them thru the air box holes. I can also make jet changes by dropping the float bowls but I have smaller hands.
Recently drained the carbs and blew them out to store the bike, if you don't use compressed air they can get plugged pretty easily.
1978 KZ650B2 w 1197cc Z1 engine
1977 KZ650B1 w 750cc Spectre engine
1979 KZ650C3 w 831cc Hot Rod engine
1978 KZ650C2 w 762cc DFI project
1977 KZ650C1 stock restoration project
1978 KZ650B2 modified project
1978 KZ650B2 Injected Drag 831cc
1980 Z1 Custom Frame Drag 1327cc
1981 Z50R Honda tow bike
1977 KZ650B1 w 750cc Spectre engine
1979 KZ650C3 w 831cc Hot Rod engine
1978 KZ650C2 w 762cc DFI project
1977 KZ650C1 stock restoration project
1978 KZ650B2 modified project
1978 KZ650B2 Injected Drag 831cc
1980 Z1 Custom Frame Drag 1327cc
1981 Z50R Honda tow bike
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Re: 77 KZ650. 2 Cold Pipes, Good Spark, Dreading Carb removal.
29 Oct 2022 17:07With today's gasoline you need to start the motor once a week to avoid plugging jets (KZ650 with 750 motor/CVK34 carbs) a fuel filter from the tank to the carbs is a big help.
I had no time to ride this Summer as my Son bought a house, so I would start my bike about once a week. I think I only put about 220km on it, rode it to my annual meet and back then parked it, so it sat there for 3 months.
I take the carbs off with no issues as the rubber are new, slip them thru the air box holes. I can also make jet changes by dropping the float bowls but I have smaller hands.
Recently drained the carbs and blew them out to store the bike, if you don't use compressed air they can get plugged pretty easily.
Use a fuel stabilizer and your problem will be solved. My 750 doesn't get ridden much these days, but with Marine Stabil, it always starts right up when I want to take a ride.
Ed
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www.kzrider.com/forum/faq-wiki/618026-new-owner-things-to-know
1981 KZ750E2
www.kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/604901...z750e-project-thread
Carb O-ring Kits : www.kzrider.com/forum/3-carburetor/61807...-o-ring-kits?start=0
www.kzrider.com/forum/faq-wiki/618026-new-owner-things-to-know
1981 KZ750E2
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Re: 77 KZ650. 2 Cold Pipes, Good Spark, Dreading Carb removal.
30 Oct 2022 06:30 - 30 Oct 2022 06:31Had that mixed in the tank of no ethanol fuel.With today's gasoline you need to start the motor once a week to avoid plugging jets (KZ650 with 750 motor/CVK34 carbs) a fuel filter from the tank to the carbs is a big help.
I had no time to ride this Summer as my Son bought a house, so I would start my bike about once a week. I think I only put about 220km on it, rode it to my annual meet and back then parked it, so it sat there for 3 months.
I take the carbs off with no issues as the rubber are new, slip them thru the air box holes. I can also make jet changes by dropping the float bowls but I have smaller hands.
Recently drained the carbs and blew them out to store the bike, if you don't use compressed air they can get plugged pretty easily.
Use a fuel stabilizer and your problem will be solved. My 750 doesn't get ridden much these days, but with Marine Stabil, it always starts right up when I want to take a ride.
My main issue was the choke plungers need done, carbs are removed for replacement seals
and other work. Looking forward to Spring time.
1978 KZ650B2 w 1197cc Z1 engine
1977 KZ650B1 w 750cc Spectre engine
1979 KZ650C3 w 831cc Hot Rod engine
1978 KZ650C2 w 762cc DFI project
1977 KZ650C1 stock restoration project
1978 KZ650B2 modified project
1978 KZ650B2 Injected Drag 831cc
1980 Z1 Custom Frame Drag 1327cc
1981 Z50R Honda tow bike
1977 KZ650B1 w 750cc Spectre engine
1979 KZ650C3 w 831cc Hot Rod engine
1978 KZ650C2 w 762cc DFI project
1977 KZ650C1 stock restoration project
1978 KZ650B2 modified project
1978 KZ650B2 Injected Drag 831cc
1980 Z1 Custom Frame Drag 1327cc
1981 Z50R Honda tow bike
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Re: 77 KZ650. 2 Cold Pipes, Good Spark, Dreading Carb removal.
03 Nov 2022 12:18mine has a fuel filter between the single line from the tank to where it connects to carbs 3&4. thats the only fuel line from the tank. There arent two.With today's gasoline you need to start the motor once a week to avoid plugging jets (KZ650 with 750 motor/CVK34 carbs) a fuel filter from the tank to the carbs is a big help.
I had no time to ride this Summer as my Son bought a house, so I would start my bike about once a week. I think I only put about 220km on it, rode it to my annual meet and back then parked it, so it sat there for 3 months.
I take the carbs off with no issues as the rubber are new, slip them thru the air box holes. I can also make jet changes by dropping the float bowls but I have smaller hands.
Recently drained the carbs and blew them out to store the bike, if you don't use compressed air they can get plugged pretty easily.
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Re: 77 KZ650. 2 Cold Pipes, Good Spark, Dreading Carb removal.
03 Nov 2022 17:48Not possible. This bike would have never run. Your only feeding fuel to two of four carbs. Needs to be another fuel line feeding the tee between 1&2 carbs. Post a picture of fuel line routing.mine has a fuel filter between the single line from the tank to where it connects to carbs 3&4. thats the only fuel line from the tank. There arent two.With today's gasoline you need to start the motor once a week to avoid plugging jets (KZ650 with 750 motor/CVK34 carbs) a fuel filter from the tank to the carbs is a big help.
I had no time to ride this Summer as my Son bought a house, so I would start my bike about once a week. I think I only put about 220km on it, rode it to my annual meet and back then parked it, so it sat there for 3 months.
I take the carbs off with no issues as the rubber are new, slip them thru the air box holes. I can also make jet changes by dropping the float bowls but I have smaller hands.
Recently drained the carbs and blew them out to store the bike, if you don't use compressed air they can get plugged pretty easily.
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