Steering Stabilizer?

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29 Jul 2014 08:42 #641861 by kzdcw
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Just obtaining information of handling improvements for my 77' KZ1000A. It's still far from running but getting a little closer. I've looked at a few universal steering stabilizers on ebay, but how would they mount to the KZ? I have an original Lockhart 4-row oil cooler on the bike, that I may not even use because it looks like it would interfere with out locating it. What are you guys using?

Also, Steering head bearings and swing arm bushings. What are you using as well? Any help would appreciated again!

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29 Jul 2014 08:47 #641862 by KZQ
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Before you expend any effort on a steering stabilizer check your swing arm bearings/bushings. After I upgraded my swing arm bushings to needle bearings I took off the stabilizer I had fitted as it was no longer needed.

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29 Jul 2014 09:16 #641864 by kzdcw
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And your probably right. I haven't even yet pulled the swing arm off yet to even look at it. Just trying to do a little homework before. In the past I've used bronze swing arm bushings on my H2 and RD. Seemed to work well. Do they offer these bushings for the KZ or is the needle bearing kit all that's out there? What about steering head bearings?

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29 Jul 2014 10:29 #641872 by KZQ
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When I was sorting out my handling problem I found that my KZ 900 used redmetal bushings while the Z1 R used two needle bearings on each end if the swing arm pivot. It was an easy swap.

Not sure about the headstock bearings but I'm sure that Z1 Enterprises has what you need.

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1968 BSA 441 Shooting Star, 1970 BSA 650 Lightning, 1974 W3, 1976 KZ900, 1979 KZ750 Twin, 1979 KZ750 Twin Trike, 1981 KZ1300, 1982 KZ1100 Spectre, 2000 Valkyrie, 2009 Yamaha Roadliner S. 1983 GL 1100
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29 Jul 2014 11:26 #641878 by Dr. Gamma
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If you are planning on riding the bike hard, I would install some type of steering dampner.

I would not ride any motorcycle without a steering dampner. I broke one of my outer sparkplug caps with my knee one time when my KZ1000 went into a big wobble coming out of a corner on some slightly rippled pavement!!!

I have both an oil cooler and steering dampner on my KZ1000. It took some planning, and a fancy bracket on the frame and lower tree to get it to clear my oil cooler. You can get by with using the copy of the original Kawasaki steering dampners like what came on the old triples.

I would go with the tapered bearing in the steering stem, better rear shocks, bronze bushings, or needle bearings in the swing arm, and a steering dampner to start with on your KZ1000.

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1976 KH400 Production Road Racer.
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29 Jul 2014 11:50 #641882 by kzdcw
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Dr. Gamma, That's the direction that I'll probably take. I have a set of bronze bushings and sleeves from a H2 project that I didn't use. I'm pretty sure they will fit the KZ1000 swing arm or would you happen to know?

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29 Jul 2014 12:16 #641891 by Dr. Gamma
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Now that I think about it, the '77 KZ1000 already has two needle bearings in swing arm stock. I think the '78 had four needle bearings (two per side) in the swing arm. No need for the bronze bushings.

Check the amount of play between the frame, and the stock swing arm bolt. If its over a few thousands thats too much. I had my local machine shop make up some oversize swing arm bolts to take up that extra clearance. I had to tap my swing arm bolt into the frame. I then honed the stock inner swing arm sleeve to fit the new oversize swing arm bolt. I left just enough clearance for just a coat of grease on the bolt.

If you have 15 or 20 thousands play at the swing arm bolt to frame. Just think how much play you will have at the end of swing arm!!

1972 H2 750 Cafe Racer built in 1974.
1976 KH400 Production Road Racer.
1979 Kz1000 MK. II Old AMA/WERA Superbike.
1986 RG500G 2 stroke terror.
1986 GSXR750RG The one with the clutch that rattles!

Up in the hills near Prescott, Az.

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29 Jul 2014 19:12 #641932 by Motor Head
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I'll add Fork Brace. This is the single most improvement I made on the front end of my 82 KZ1000 LTD.
Upgraded springs, emulators, new internal bushings, of course seals and oil for the forks.
New stem bearings, with the correct pre-load.
Swing arm bearings, and you can under brace it easily if you can weld.
Rear shock up grade. Well I bought a set of progressives, one failed rather quick, out of warranty and not rebuildable. So I went with a set of Fox Racing Shocks off of a snowmobile. No problems so far, and $100 bucks shipped, fully rebuildable and tunable. Lesson learned. ;)

1982 KZ1000LTD K2 Vance & Hines 4-1 ACCEL COILS Added Vetter fairing & Bags. FOX Racing rear Shocks, Braced Swing-arm, Fork Brace, Progressive Fork Springs RT Gold Emulators, APE Valve Springs, 1166 Big Bore kit, RS34's, GPZ cams.
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29 Jul 2014 19:42 - 29 Jul 2014 19:43 #641936 by 650ed
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For your steering stem use tapered roller bearings. Here's the All-Balls kit:
www.allballsracing.com/22-1014.html

Dr. Gamma is correct about the swingarm. Here's the diagram:

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30 Jul 2014 14:49 #642039 by kzdcw
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Motor Head, I'm interested in Fox shocks that you used? Also, the swing arm bracing? Any pictures? Have any of you guys used the "Bronze" swing arm bushings?

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30 Jul 2014 18:29 #642065 by Motor Head
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There are quit a few under braced swing arms on the site, but I never took any pictures of mine. Pretty easy to do if you can weld, a mig welder will make it super simple (hot glue gun). My bike is all packed up for this Relay Rally Trip at the moment, so kinda hard to get any good pic's of my work.
As for the Fox shocks, they were from FeeBay. Off of an Artic CAt which took the same length, well 1/2" longer shock. 14 instead of 13.5" This actually made my bike super easy to put on the center stand, well compared to my Concours. I think they were off of a 800 or something Artic CAt. I used to have a ZR580 Artic CAt back in the 90's which had those shocks, that's how I knew about them. Watched several sets on FeeBay, then pulled the trigger. A buddy also did this for one of his vintage MX bikes, and loves them.

1982 KZ1000LTD K2 Vance & Hines 4-1 ACCEL COILS Added Vetter fairing & Bags. FOX Racing rear Shocks, Braced Swing-arm, Fork Brace, Progressive Fork Springs RT Gold Emulators, APE Valve Springs, 1166 Big Bore kit, RS34's, GPZ cams.
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30 Jul 2014 21:10 #642090 by kzdcw
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Be interesting to know the spring rates of those shocks?

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