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04 Sep 2008 07:39 #235439
by Old Man Rock
1976 KZ900-A4
MTC 1075cc.
Camshafts: Kawi GPZ-1100 .375 lift
Head: P&P via Larry Cavanaugh
ZX636 suspension
MIKUNI, RS-34'S...
Kerker 4-1, 1.5" comp baffle.
Dyna-S E.I.
Earls 10 row Oil Cooler
Acewell 2802 Series Speedo/Tach
Innovate LC1 Wideband 02 AFR meter
Phoenix, Az
Chain Rivet Tool Actually required? was created by Old Man Rock
Hey all,
Question, is a Chain Rivet Tool Actually required?
Yes of course I realize this is the recomended best method to follow but can this be accomplished SAFELY with out it using "vise grips, vise, hammer and center punch etc...)
I also know that Z1 has them for $49.99. I just hate buying a tool I'll use once, maybe twice in the next 5 years for this bike is only goig to be a weekend trips, not many miles throughout any given year.
Thoughts and preferably other methods welcomed.
Thanks,
OMR
Question, is a Chain Rivet Tool Actually required?
Yes of course I realize this is the recomended best method to follow but can this be accomplished SAFELY with out it using "vise grips, vise, hammer and center punch etc...)
I also know that Z1 has them for $49.99. I just hate buying a tool I'll use once, maybe twice in the next 5 years for this bike is only goig to be a weekend trips, not many miles throughout any given year.
Thoughts and preferably other methods welcomed.
Thanks,
OMR
1976 KZ900-A4
MTC 1075cc.
Camshafts: Kawi GPZ-1100 .375 lift
Head: P&P via Larry Cavanaugh
ZX636 suspension
MIKUNI, RS-34'S...
Kerker 4-1, 1.5" comp baffle.
Dyna-S E.I.
Earls 10 row Oil Cooler
Acewell 2802 Series Speedo/Tach
Innovate LC1 Wideband 02 AFR meter
Phoenix, Az
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04 Sep 2008 07:55 #235442
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Michael
Victoria, Texas
1982 GPz750
1977 KZ1000A
1978 KZ1000A
1982 GPz1100
1975 Z2A
Replied by Mcdroid on topic Chain Rivet Tool Actually required?
Well, I've got five (5) bikes that I have or will replace the chain on...this doesn't count all those bikes that I'll own in the future (shhhh...mi esposa doesn't know about those yet...) so I invested in a nice one from Z1E...It certainly makes the chain removal process easier...but as you pointed out, if it is a single event, you can fab something that'll work instead. Remember, if you have an original chain (e.g. endless) you'll still have to use an angle grinder to knock off one side of a peened link.
Michael
Victoria, Texas
1982 GPz750
1977 KZ1000A
1978 KZ1000A
1982 GPz1100
1975 Z2A
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04 Sep 2008 10:04 #235465
by Old Man Rock
1976 KZ900-A4
MTC 1075cc.
Camshafts: Kawi GPZ-1100 .375 lift
Head: P&P via Larry Cavanaugh
ZX636 suspension
MIKUNI, RS-34'S...
Kerker 4-1, 1.5" comp baffle.
Dyna-S E.I.
Earls 10 row Oil Cooler
Acewell 2802 Series Speedo/Tach
Innovate LC1 Wideband 02 AFR meter
Phoenix, Az
Replied by Old Man Rock on topic Chain Rivet Tool Actually required?
Angle grinder and vice grip/center punch method, yep, I have done this on previous dirt bike chains with no problems. Same time, the KZ900 has a huge mount of more torque than any other bike I have ever owned.
Any others have had any issues with the vice/center punch method?
Ah crap, I should just invest the $50 and get on with it...
Damn you Jeff @ Z1.... hahahahahaha....
OMR
Any others have had any issues with the vice/center punch method?
Ah crap, I should just invest the $50 and get on with it...
Damn you Jeff @ Z1.... hahahahahaha....
OMR
1976 KZ900-A4
MTC 1075cc.
Camshafts: Kawi GPZ-1100 .375 lift
Head: P&P via Larry Cavanaugh
ZX636 suspension
MIKUNI, RS-34'S...
Kerker 4-1, 1.5" comp baffle.
Dyna-S E.I.
Earls 10 row Oil Cooler
Acewell 2802 Series Speedo/Tach
Innovate LC1 Wideband 02 AFR meter
Phoenix, Az
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04 Sep 2008 12:29 #235490
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Rob
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Need a key for your Kawasaki? PM me
1978 KZ650 C2, 130K kms, Delkevic ex, EI, CVK32, PMC easy clutch, ATK fork brace, steering damper, braced swingarm, 18" Z1R front wheel.
2000 ZRX1100
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Replied by rstnick on topic Chain Rivet Tool Actually required?
Z1 also sells a master link separately.
I know it may not be recommended by some. There was a discussion on using master links a while back and 95%+ said they've used a master link with no problems.
I've had one on my chain since the '80s, and will be buying a new chain and master link this Winter.
I know it may not be recommended by some. There was a discussion on using master links a while back and 95%+ said they've used a master link with no problems.
I've had one on my chain since the '80s, and will be buying a new chain and master link this Winter.
Rob
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Need a key for your Kawasaki? PM me
1978 KZ650 C2, 130K kms, Delkevic ex, EI, CVK32, PMC easy clutch, ATK fork brace, steering damper, braced swingarm, 18" Z1R front wheel.
2000 ZRX1100
2011 Ninja 250R
2005 z750s
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04 Sep 2008 12:56 #235491
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KZ750R1 + 1991 ZR750 = KZR750R1
Better to be shot out of a cannon then squeezed through a tube. - HST
Replied by kzr750r1 on topic Chain Rivet Tool Actually required?
It's worth it. Piece of mind and less knuckle busting.
Plus your the guy with the correct tool for bro's. Worth future beer delivery for buying that one unit loaning it out.
Plus your the guy with the correct tool for bro's. Worth future beer delivery for buying that one unit loaning it out.
KZ750R1 + 1991 ZR750 = KZR750R1
Better to be shot out of a cannon then squeezed through a tube. - HST
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04 Sep 2008 13:08 #235492
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KZ750R1 + 1991 ZR750 = KZR750R1
Better to be shot out of a cannon then squeezed through a tube. - HST
Replied by kzr750r1 on topic Chain Rivet Tool Actually required?
Not to start a debate on this but I have had the retaining clip pop off. I like having to cut these new chains off in time of need.
Less potential for disaster if the whole assembly failed.
Less potential for disaster if the whole assembly failed.
KZ750R1 + 1991 ZR750 = KZR750R1
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05 Sep 2008 17:24 #235706
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80 750 H1
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Replied by Philip Meaney on topic Chain Rivet Tool Actually required?
What size chain does your bike have?
I run a master link on the 630 chain on both my LTD and my Turbo. I've been known to go through the gears on both WOT (ok, maybe not too bright) with no chain issues (can't say the same for clutch issues on the LTD). If the master link can handle like 112 or so Horses that the turbo puts out, you should be fine (assuming a 630 chain) on a KZ. Only thing I do is check the master link often as it would really suck if the clip backed out....
I run a master link on the 630 chain on both my LTD and my Turbo. I've been known to go through the gears on both WOT (ok, maybe not too bright) with no chain issues (can't say the same for clutch issues on the LTD). If the master link can handle like 112 or so Horses that the turbo puts out, you should be fine (assuming a 630 chain) on a KZ. Only thing I do is check the master link often as it would really suck if the clip backed out....
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05 Sep 2008 17:49 #235711
by Patton
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Replied by Patton on topic Chain Rivet Tool Actually required?
If you always remember,
You'll never forget . . .
To install the master link with its closed end as the leading edge.
I believe, but am not absolutely positive, that a primary reason for this is to prevent a pebble or some other road debris from striking the open end of the clip and possibly loosening or knocking the clip off or out of position.
Have always used the master link style chains with no problems whatever. But am super careful about correct installation of the master link, side plate (often a "press" fit), and clip.
Good Luck!
You'll never forget . . .
To install the master link with its closed end as the leading edge.
I believe, but am not absolutely positive, that a primary reason for this is to prevent a pebble or some other road debris from striking the open end of the clip and possibly loosening or knocking the clip off or out of position.
Have always used the master link style chains with no problems whatever. But am super careful about correct installation of the master link, side plate (often a "press" fit), and clip.
Good Luck!
1973 Z1
KZ900 LTD
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05 Sep 2008 19:42 #235735
by Old Man Rock
1976 KZ900-A4
MTC 1075cc.
Camshafts: Kawi GPZ-1100 .375 lift
Head: P&P via Larry Cavanaugh
ZX636 suspension
MIKUNI, RS-34'S...
Kerker 4-1, 1.5" comp baffle.
Dyna-S E.I.
Earls 10 row Oil Cooler
Acewell 2802 Series Speedo/Tach
Innovate LC1 Wideband 02 AFR meter
Phoenix, Az
Replied by Old Man Rock on topic Chain Rivet Tool Actually required?
Closed link towards the front... yes indeed.
I have a 630 chain and considering the pain in the ass in using a closed loop chain (take swing arm and rear tire off) I decided to stick with the clip master link that I purchased at the time of the chain from Z1.
Since this link was designed & offered (RK chains) for this given chain, figured what the hell should be just fine.
Thanks all...
OMR
BTW, I will have images tomorrow and I will post regarding the 13.5mm offset counter sprocket and chain frame clearances. Basically, it left ~ 1/8" clearance to the frame.
Perfecto!
I have a 630 chain and considering the pain in the ass in using a closed loop chain (take swing arm and rear tire off) I decided to stick with the clip master link that I purchased at the time of the chain from Z1.
Since this link was designed & offered (RK chains) for this given chain, figured what the hell should be just fine.
Thanks all...
OMR
BTW, I will have images tomorrow and I will post regarding the 13.5mm offset counter sprocket and chain frame clearances. Basically, it left ~ 1/8" clearance to the frame.
Perfecto!
1976 KZ900-A4
MTC 1075cc.
Camshafts: Kawi GPZ-1100 .375 lift
Head: P&P via Larry Cavanaugh
ZX636 suspension
MIKUNI, RS-34'S...
Kerker 4-1, 1.5" comp baffle.
Dyna-S E.I.
Earls 10 row Oil Cooler
Acewell 2802 Series Speedo/Tach
Innovate LC1 Wideband 02 AFR meter
Phoenix, Az
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