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What's wrong with this picture? (Z1 Brake Pedal)
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17 Mar 2010 06:28 #353994
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Hey Guys,
I'm a bit stumped. This is a photo of a customer's Z1 brake pedal. The 8mm nut on the pedal assembly is correct OEM and is supposed to be identical to the footrest assembly mount nuts also pictured (which are not OEM).
There are the required flatwasher and spring (lock) washer already installed but the dome nut is bottoming out as pictured. Schematics (which are known to be occasionally inaccurate)dont' show any more spacers behind the pedal assembly and spring, for that matter, the schematics dont' even show the stud the assembly fits on, but I strongly suspect something is missing behind the pedal.
Z1 brake pedals can be a bit of a process to remove and inspect so before I advise him to do so I wanted to see if it looks familiar to anyone.
Thoughts?
I'm a bit stumped. This is a photo of a customer's Z1 brake pedal. The 8mm nut on the pedal assembly is correct OEM and is supposed to be identical to the footrest assembly mount nuts also pictured (which are not OEM).
There are the required flatwasher and spring (lock) washer already installed but the dome nut is bottoming out as pictured. Schematics (which are known to be occasionally inaccurate)dont' show any more spacers behind the pedal assembly and spring, for that matter, the schematics dont' even show the stud the assembly fits on, but I strongly suspect something is missing behind the pedal.
Z1 brake pedals can be a bit of a process to remove and inspect so before I advise him to do so I wanted to see if it looks familiar to anyone.
Thoughts?
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17 Mar 2010 06:36 #353996
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skiatook,oklahoma 1980 z1r,1978 kz 1000 z1r x 3,
1976 kz 900 x 3
i make what i can,and save the rest!
billybiltit.blogspot.com/
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kzrider.com/forum/5-chassis/294594-frame-bracing?limitstart=0
Replied by 531blackbanshee on topic What's wrong with this picture? (Z1 Brake Pedal)
isnt it supposed to have one of those thick washers with the rolled edges and then the lock washer and nut?not for sure :huh: .
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leon
skiatook,oklahoma 1980 z1r,1978 kz 1000 z1r x 3,
1976 kz 900 x 3
i make what i can,and save the rest!
billybiltit.blogspot.com/
www.kzrider.com/forum/5-chassis/325862-triple-tree-custom-work
kzrider.com/forum/5-chassis/294594-frame-bracing?limitstart=0
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17 Mar 2010 06:42 #353997
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Well, according to the fiche diagram, it appears to be complete. The flat washer is described/reported as 1.6mm thick accoridng to Kawasaki.
Next!
Next!
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17 Mar 2010 06:48 - 17 Mar 2010 06:49 #353998
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74 Z1-A stock
76 KZ-900 Totaly stock vice MAC pipe
77 KZ-1000A stock
78 Z1-R 100%MINT 500 original Mi.
78 Z1-R Yoshi 1103 kit stage 1 cams Yoshi pipe. Etc
79 KZ-1300 (1400)
80 KZ-1300
81 Scratch built GPz1150R
82 KZ1000
Replied by otakar on topic What's wrong with this picture? (Z1 Brake Pedal)
You are missing spacers and the large flange washer. It is clearly shown in the manual. That diagram is not showing everything.
74 Z1-A stock
76 KZ-900 Totaly stock vice MAC pipe
77 KZ-1000A stock
78 Z1-R 100%MINT 500 original Mi.
78 Z1-R Yoshi 1103 kit stage 1 cams Yoshi pipe. Etc
79 KZ-1300 (1400)
80 KZ-1300
81 Scratch built GPz1150R
82 KZ1000
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17 Mar 2010 06:55 #354000
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Just sent you a PM. I'm looking at a factory service manual. Not seeing what you are apparenlty.
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17 Mar 2010 07:01 #354001
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74 Z1-A stock
76 KZ-900 Totaly stock vice MAC pipe
77 KZ-1000A stock
78 Z1-R 100%MINT 500 original Mi.
78 Z1-R Yoshi 1103 kit stage 1 cams Yoshi pipe. Etc
79 KZ-1300 (1400)
80 KZ-1300
81 Scratch built GPz1150R
82 KZ1000
Replied by otakar on topic What's wrong with this picture? (Z1 Brake Pedal)
I will try to get to my storage area today and take a picture of it. I will post it.
74 Z1-A stock
76 KZ-900 Totaly stock vice MAC pipe
77 KZ-1000A stock
78 Z1-R 100%MINT 500 original Mi.
78 Z1-R Yoshi 1103 kit stage 1 cams Yoshi pipe. Etc
79 KZ-1300 (1400)
80 KZ-1300
81 Scratch built GPz1150R
82 KZ1000
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17 Mar 2010 07:04 #354002
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Otakar,
I assume the spacer (thick rolled-edge washer) config yo're referencing is on the inner side of the pedal? Where does the return spring fit into the equation?
I guess a picture WILL be worth the proverbial 1,000.
Thanks in advance.
I assume the spacer (thick rolled-edge washer) config yo're referencing is on the inner side of the pedal? Where does the return spring fit into the equation?
I guess a picture WILL be worth the proverbial 1,000.
Thanks in advance.
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17 Mar 2010 07:07 - 17 Mar 2010 07:23 #354003
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321,000 miles on KZ's that I can remember. Not going to see any more.
Replied by RonKZ650 on topic What's wrong with this picture? (Z1 Brake Pedal)
I see the Z1 uses the exact same combo of washers and nuts that a KZ650 does so just to compare the way it's set up is:
The pedal presses onto the knurled part of shaft up til its flush with the frame, no spacers. At this point the knurled part of the shaft should be completely covered by the pedal and only the threaded stud should be sticking out. Measuring with a ruler the stud is about 10mm long. On this stud goes the 1.6mm flat washer and a 1.5mm approx lockwasher so the remaining stud is now 6.9mm give or take. The nut measures about 13mm in total length on the outside and is threaded on so the 13mm is more than enough to cover a 6.9mm stud.
Hopefully this will help.
The pedal presses onto the knurled part of shaft up til its flush with the frame, no spacers. At this point the knurled part of the shaft should be completely covered by the pedal and only the threaded stud should be sticking out. Measuring with a ruler the stud is about 10mm long. On this stud goes the 1.6mm flat washer and a 1.5mm approx lockwasher so the remaining stud is now 6.9mm give or take. The nut measures about 13mm in total length on the outside and is threaded on so the 13mm is more than enough to cover a 6.9mm stud.
Hopefully this will help.
321,000 miles on KZ's that I can remember. Not going to see any more.
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19 Mar 2010 11:24 #354559
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Problem solved!:laugh:
RonK's post above prompted a more thorough inspection of just what was happening. Seems there was some buggered threads on the cap nut.
A little more persuasion caused proper seating against the assembly! :woohoo:
Thanks to all!
RonK's post above prompted a more thorough inspection of just what was happening. Seems there was some buggered threads on the cap nut.
A little more persuasion caused proper seating against the assembly! :woohoo:
Thanks to all!
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