Substitute for locking tabs?
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01 Nov 2011 09:16 #486454
by 750steve
07 ZX6R Race Bike
1977 Z750 B2 Twin
1976 Z650 B1
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Has anyone tried to replace the locking tabs for their brake bolts etc for something more easily worked? I dont really want to take a chance with my brakes but there's bound to be a better modern substitute!
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1976 Z650 B1
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01 Nov 2011 11:20 #486470
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Livin in "CheektaVegas, NY
Went thru 25 of these in 40 yrs.
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Blue loctite, after cleaning both sides with a spray type brake clean
Livin in "CheektaVegas, NY
Went thru 25 of these in 40 yrs.
I SOLD OUT! THE KAW BARN IS EMPTY.
More room for The Old Girl, Harley 75 FLH Electra Glide,
Old faithful! Points ign. Bendix Orig. carb.
Starts everytime!
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01 Nov 2011 11:26 #486472
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07 ZX6R Race Bike
1977 Z750 B2 Twin
1976 Z650 B1
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Will blue loctite stick the heat ok? If i was going to loctite it would Red not be better?
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01 Nov 2011 12:22 #486482
by z1kzonly
Livin in "CheektaVegas, NY
Went thru 25 of these in 40 yrs.
I SOLD OUT! THE KAW BARN IS EMPTY.
More room for The Old Girl, Harley 75 FLH Electra Glide,
Old faithful! Points ign. Bendix Orig. carb.
Starts everytime!
Replied by z1kzonly on topic Substitute for locking tabs?
Yes, red would REALLY LOCK THEM. to the point it might pull them aluminum threads out with the bolt the next time you dis-assemble. Blue is safer. Just my opinion
Livin in "CheektaVegas, NY
Went thru 25 of these in 40 yrs.
I SOLD OUT! THE KAW BARN IS EMPTY.
More room for The Old Girl, Harley 75 FLH Electra Glide,
Old faithful! Points ign. Bendix Orig. carb.
Starts everytime!
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01 Nov 2011 12:51 #486486
by 750steve
07 ZX6R Race Bike
1977 Z750 B2 Twin
1976 Z650 B1
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Ah right, ok, just asking cos the disc bolts that hold my 07 ZX6R discs to the rim are done with the red stuff, then again thats modern technology, maybe the old bike's threads are more brittle.
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01 Nov 2011 16:31 #486516
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1977 Z750 B2 Twin
1976 Z650 B1
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I'll use a locking agent for the front discs & nylon locking nuts for the rear.
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01 Nov 2011 17:27 #486522
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321,000 miles on KZ's that I can remember. Not going to see any more.
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Just because it's color happens to be red on some newer motorcycles on thread lock does not mean it's Loctite red. Blue is plenty strong enough.
321,000 miles on KZ's that I can remember. Not going to see any more.
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01 Nov 2011 19:07 #486530
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1982 GPZ1100 B2
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GLCM BGM-109 Tomahawk, AGM-129A Advanced Cruise Missile (ACM)
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Thread Locking Compounds:
Loctite #222MS PURPLE, low strength thread locker
For screws under ¼”.
Loctite #242 BLUE, Medium strength thread locker
For ¼” to ¾” bolts.
Permatex # 24310 Low strength thread locker, PURPLE, fasteners under ¼” diameter.
Permatex # 22210 Medium/high strength thread locker, BLUE, ¼” to ¾” fasteners, surface insensitive (can be used on oily fasteners).
Permatex # 24210 Medium strength thread locker, BLUE, ¼” to ¾” fasteners.
The following, are high strength locking compounds, requiring high temperatures to loosen their grip:
Loctite # 262 RED, High strength thread locker permanent
For up to ¾” bolts (can be loosened by 300 F heat).
Loctite #271 RED, High strength thread locker for sealing plugs, nuts and bolts (can be loosened by 300 F heat).
Loctite # 272 RED, High strength, high temperature(450 F) thread locker.
Permatex # 27710 High strength thread locker, RED, 3/8” to 1 inch fasteners, will require heat for removal.
Permatex # 26210 Permanent strength thread locker. RED, 3/8” to 1 inch fasteners, will require heat for removal.
Loctite #222MS PURPLE, low strength thread locker
For screws under ¼”.
Loctite #242 BLUE, Medium strength thread locker
For ¼” to ¾” bolts.
Permatex # 24310 Low strength thread locker, PURPLE, fasteners under ¼” diameter.
Permatex # 22210 Medium/high strength thread locker, BLUE, ¼” to ¾” fasteners, surface insensitive (can be used on oily fasteners).
Permatex # 24210 Medium strength thread locker, BLUE, ¼” to ¾” fasteners.
The following, are high strength locking compounds, requiring high temperatures to loosen their grip:
Loctite # 262 RED, High strength thread locker permanent
For up to ¾” bolts (can be loosened by 300 F heat).
Loctite #271 RED, High strength thread locker for sealing plugs, nuts and bolts (can be loosened by 300 F heat).
Loctite # 272 RED, High strength, high temperature(450 F) thread locker.
Permatex # 27710 High strength thread locker, RED, 3/8” to 1 inch fasteners, will require heat for removal.
Permatex # 26210 Permanent strength thread locker. RED, 3/8” to 1 inch fasteners, will require heat for removal.
1982 GPZ1100 B2
General Dynamics/Convair 1983-1993
GLCM BGM-109 Tomahawk, AGM-129A Advanced Cruise Missile (ACM)
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01 Nov 2011 19:29 #486538
by 750steve
07 ZX6R Race Bike
1977 Z750 B2 Twin
1976 Z650 B1
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Thats kinda how i understood it, by 'removing it' do they mean the locking compound or bolt? I know kawasaki supply their std brake disc securing bolts already coated in the red stuff, they're tight but they can be got out without heat being applied to them.
However, thats why i was asking, with the heat that brakes generate woulf the red be the better choice or is the Blue ok? The last time i used the blue Loctite stuff it seemed pretty dam easy to remove the bolts.
And then there's the green stuff, is it like a bearing seal? I've used some Loctite green stuff before & i seriously don't know how it can be removed!
However, thats why i was asking, with the heat that brakes generate woulf the red be the better choice or is the Blue ok? The last time i used the blue Loctite stuff it seemed pretty dam easy to remove the bolts.
And then there's the green stuff, is it like a bearing seal? I've used some Loctite green stuff before & i seriously don't know how it can be removed!
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1976 Z650 B1
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01 Nov 2011 19:40 #486543
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1982 GPZ1100 B2
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Replied by MFolks on topic Substitute for locking tabs?
Some of the green Loctite's are the "Wicking Type" that's dripped onto fasteners after they are tighted up. It penetrates the threads and then sets up.
The bearing retainer types are high strength, and probably need heat to be removed.
The bearing retainer types are high strength, and probably need heat to be removed.
1982 GPZ1100 B2
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01 Nov 2011 20:05 - 01 Nov 2011 20:09 #486548
by 750steve
07 ZX6R Race Bike
1977 Z750 B2 Twin
1976 Z650 B1
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I think the stuff i have in tha garage is a bit too strong
www.loctite.co.uk/cps/rde/xchg/henkel_uk...edDotUID=1000000I8TX
Jeez i didn't know they has such a range until i looked into it!
www.loctite.co.uk/cps/rde/xchg/henkel_uk...edDotUID=1000000I8TX
Jeez i didn't know they has such a range until i looked into it!
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1976 Z650 B1
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05 Nov 2011 16:11 #487138
by TomW
'78 KZ1000B2 LTD stock + Vetter Fairing & luggage
'91 ZG1200B5 Voyager XII, stock
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I use Loctite 242 (Blue) and SS safety wire. I'm a belt and suspenders kind of guy. I also safeteid the rear sprocket and oil drain plugs and filler cap.
'78 KZ1000B2 LTD stock + Vetter Fairing & luggage
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