tube rims to tubeless? same size front a rear rims

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11 Mar 2012 21:26 #509121 by DaddyJama
soo looking around for rubber..

i realize i have tubes in my tires.. i have a manual tire changer and would like to use tubeless tires..

do i to to get a different rim? or do i just need a differnt tire?

also.. is there a set of identical rim sized rims that i can put onto the bike?

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11 Mar 2012 23:18 - 11 Mar 2012 23:19 #509144 by 650ed
You can use tubes in tubeless tires - you don't need to change the rims. However, you must still use tubes in those rims, so if you are trying to get away from using tubes, yes you will need rims designed to be run tubeless. They are different. Ed

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11 Mar 2012 23:31 #509149 by Patton

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12 Mar 2012 14:41 #509221 by DaddyJama
Thanks all. Patton that pic is awesome. I was confused because my tire says tube/tubeless on the side..

Any suggestions on rims that are tubeles? Diff model maybe?

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12 Mar 2012 14:55 #509223 by mtbspeedfreak
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Most OEM spoke wheels require a tube. I'd suggest giving Buchnanan's a try: www.buchananspokes.net/

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12 Mar 2012 17:29 #509247 by 531blackbanshee
Replied by 531blackbanshee on topic tube rims to tubeless? same size front a rear rims
super moto guys run tubeless on spokes all the time.

head over to advrider.com/forums/index.php

a little searching should net you some usable info.

leon

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12 Mar 2012 22:23 - 12 Mar 2012 22:24 #509294 by Patton
Due to the additional risk involved when running a ridge-less rim without a tube, the safer practice is to always use a tube on a ridge-less rim, regardless of the tire.

The main danger when running a ridge-less rim without a tube is when hitting a pothole or bump while leaned over at speed, when the tire bead may escape a ridge-less rim, causing instant deflation.

Those to whom the above scenario will never happen may be willing to assume the additional risk of running a ridge-less rim without a tube.

For those willing to assume the risk, or unwilling to heed the warning, or who just don't give an R.A., and are bound and determined to run tubeless on a ridge-less wire spoke rim, here's how to seal the spoke wheel rim:
Click > www.gadgetjq.com/tww.htm

And after all that, it doesn't resolve the risk involved with running a tubeless tire on a non-tubeless style rim.

Good Fortune! :)

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12 Mar 2012 22:55 #509305 by DaddyJama
My rims aren't spokes.. They are regular:)

Do same things apply?

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12 Mar 2012 23:31 - 12 Mar 2012 23:32 #509314 by Patton

DaddyJama wrote: My rims aren't spokes.. They are regular:)

Do same things apply?


Yes. Rim design is the critical difference as to advisability of running without a tube, regardless of whether the wheel is wire spoke or a mag style wheel.

For example, the oem genuine Morris Mags on KZ900 LTD, and the Lester mags on Z1, and oem wire spoke wheels on GB500, are all designed for being used with tubes.

BMW has at least one model with oem wire spoke wheels designed to run tubeless.

There's also an aftermarket wire spoke tubeless wheel that has the spokes fitted outside the tire bead.

Good Fortune! :)

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12 Mar 2012 23:56 - 12 Mar 2012 23:57 #509325 by 650ed
Wow, this really is not rocket science; it’s really very simple. Whether they have spokes, are alloy, or made of wood - with tube type rims you need to use tubes. With rims specifically designed to run without tubes you can run without tubes. If you have a death wish you can run on tube type rims without tubes. You will no doubt get away with it for a while, but one day if you’re running down the highway at 80 mph with traffic around and behind you and your tire goes flat…. Well, you get the idea. It’s up to you if you want to take such a risk because you don’t want to spend the cost equivalent of a few gallons of gas on tubes. Personally, I don’t understand the fear of using tubes when they are needed. Wear a helmet. Ed

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13 Mar 2012 00:29 #509341 by Patton
Tell 'em, Ed! :woohoo:

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13 Mar 2012 01:46 #509359 by DaddyJama

650ed wrote: Wow, this really is not rocket science; it’s really very simple. Whether they have spokes, are alloy, or made of wood - with tube type rims you need to use tubes. With rims specifically designed to run without tubes you can run without tubes. If you have a death wish you can run on tube type rims without tubes. You will no doubt get away with it for a while, but one day if you’re running down the highway at 80 mph with traffic around and behind you and your tire goes flat…. Well, you get the idea. It’s up to you if you want to take such a risk because you don’t want to spend the cost equivalent of a few gallons of gas on tubes. Personally, I don’t understand the fear of using tubes when they are needed. Wear a helmet. Ed


..the other part of my simple question was where I can get non spoked rims made for tubeless rubber??

Can u simplify that one for me?

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