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18 May 2012 13:10 #523130
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While I still have some silver hair left, I figured I'b better appeal to the experts over here. :woohoo:
We've got a customer with a KZ1000, sort of. It's a bit of a mongrel with some 900 components, some 1000 components, and maybe even a 650 component thrown in just to make me pull my hair out further.
It's sporting a 42mm caliper piston, which is all well and good, but the dust seal is much larger (57mm O.D.) than the seal. This is what's throwing me. Also, the slider pin dust boots are much larger than those found in the kit.
A picture is worth 1000, as they say. Have a look at the images in this link. You'll see our kit components in a side-by-side comparison with the stock components.
Frankenbike's caliper
I've scoured the fiche looking for a piston that's similar to this one - A distinct taper that doesn't look familiar. I've also looked for an oddball caliper with a dustboot part number that is different from the rest of the caliper dust boots 43054-003 from that era. Coming up empty.
If you look at the caliper mount bracket, it has "squared off", or flat, cutouts in the window. This is indicative of a 650. The 1000s have a circular window without the squared off cutouts.
It's also using EBC FA73 brake pads -- found ONLY in the following:
KZ440A 80-82
KZ440K1 / D1-4 80-82
KZ550A1 80
KZ650 C1/C2/C3/D2/E1/F1 77-80
KZ750 G1 80
KZ1000 C2/C3/C4 79-81
Z1000 A3/A3A/A4/B3/B4/D3/G1
It's also noteworthy to mention that the FA33 brake pad is identical except for thickness and were found in earlier models (S2, S3, KH, and earlier KZ650s and 1000s)
Thoughts?
We've got a customer with a KZ1000, sort of. It's a bit of a mongrel with some 900 components, some 1000 components, and maybe even a 650 component thrown in just to make me pull my hair out further.
It's sporting a 42mm caliper piston, which is all well and good, but the dust seal is much larger (57mm O.D.) than the seal. This is what's throwing me. Also, the slider pin dust boots are much larger than those found in the kit.
A picture is worth 1000, as they say. Have a look at the images in this link. You'll see our kit components in a side-by-side comparison with the stock components.
Frankenbike's caliper
I've scoured the fiche looking for a piston that's similar to this one - A distinct taper that doesn't look familiar. I've also looked for an oddball caliper with a dustboot part number that is different from the rest of the caliper dust boots 43054-003 from that era. Coming up empty.
If you look at the caliper mount bracket, it has "squared off", or flat, cutouts in the window. This is indicative of a 650. The 1000s have a circular window without the squared off cutouts.
It's also using EBC FA73 brake pads -- found ONLY in the following:
KZ440A 80-82
KZ440K1 / D1-4 80-82
KZ550A1 80
KZ650 C1/C2/C3/D2/E1/F1 77-80
KZ750 G1 80
KZ1000 C2/C3/C4 79-81
Z1000 A3/A3A/A4/B3/B4/D3/G1
It's also noteworthy to mention that the FA33 brake pad is identical except for thickness and were found in earlier models (S2, S3, KH, and earlier KZ650s and 1000s)
Thoughts?
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18 May 2012 13:17 #523132
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I tried opening the picture link but it's asking for a login.
Later, Doug
Later, Doug
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18 May 2012 13:22 #523133
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73 Kawasaki Z1
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82 Suzuki GS 1100
74 Yamaha RD 350 (My two stroke toy)
77 Kawasaki KZ 650B-1 (My putt around bike)
80 Indian Moped (My American Iron)
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72 Honda CL 175
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82 Suzuki GS 1100
74 Yamaha RD 350 (My two stroke toy)
77 Kawasaki KZ 650B-1 (My putt around bike)
80 Indian Moped (My American Iron)
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18 May 2012 16:19 - 18 May 2012 16:22 #523172
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Not sure why the problem, try these:
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18 May 2012 16:43 #523175
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76 KZ, frame gusset work,1200CC.Ported by Larry Cavanaugh, 1.5mm.over intakes, Carron Pipe, ZRX12 rear end, and seat,96zx9 front end.
01 CBR600F4i Track bike.
Cobourg, Ont. Can.
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Sorry i cant help u with this 1.
I would like to thank u on behalf of all of the guys u fellows at Z1E, have helped out.
I have not dealt with u personally, but i have always had great service from Z1E.
what i see u doing here speak volumes for your service
Have u tried z1ownersclub.com/forum/1685549/
Thanks
Mark Saunders.
I would like to thank u on behalf of all of the guys u fellows at Z1E, have helped out.
I have not dealt with u personally, but i have always had great service from Z1E.
what i see u doing here speak volumes for your service
Have u tried z1ownersclub.com/forum/1685549/
Thanks
Mark Saunders.
76 KZ, frame gusset work,1200CC.Ported by Larry Cavanaugh, 1.5mm.over intakes, Carron Pipe, ZRX12 rear end, and seat,96zx9 front end.
01 CBR600F4i Track bike.
Cobourg, Ont. Can.
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18 May 2012 16:50 #523176
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Thanks for the kind words Mark.
Much aprpeciated.
I haven't tried Z1OC yet - I was hoping for divine revelation from this venue first.
I just hate being stumped! And this one has me stumped! Hopefully temporarily!
Much aprpeciated.
I haven't tried Z1OC yet - I was hoping for divine revelation from this venue first.
I just hate being stumped! And this one has me stumped! Hopefully temporarily!
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18 May 2012 17:19 #523180
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1975 Z1 900
1994 KX250 Supermoto
2004 KX125
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No eBay APP ID and/or Cert ID defined in Kunena configurationSearch "KZ caliper" on Ebay.
Looks like these:
Any numbers on the parts? Kawasaki sometimes leaves the last 3-4 digit number cast into the parts for identification. Take a top clamp for example, all top clamps start with the same part number 44039. The last part of the part number describes the actual part...it's identifier. So 44039-1234 is a top clamp for one bike and 44039-4567 is a top clap for another bike. So you 'may' find "1234" or "4567" cast into the part. (just using those as an example)
If you find the 3 or 4 digit number, find the prefix (first 5 digits) from some other model, add that to the number cast into the part (along with a hyphen) and google it or search on the Kawasaki parts fiche.
Another trick is to just search Ebay with the prefix. Lets take 44039, top clamp (holder fork upper)
motors.shop.ebay.com/i.html?_from=R40&_t...3&_nkw=44039&_sacat=
Looks like these:
Any numbers on the parts? Kawasaki sometimes leaves the last 3-4 digit number cast into the parts for identification. Take a top clamp for example, all top clamps start with the same part number 44039. The last part of the part number describes the actual part...it's identifier. So 44039-1234 is a top clamp for one bike and 44039-4567 is a top clap for another bike. So you 'may' find "1234" or "4567" cast into the part. (just using those as an example)
If you find the 3 or 4 digit number, find the prefix (first 5 digits) from some other model, add that to the number cast into the part (along with a hyphen) and google it or search on the Kawasaki parts fiche.
Another trick is to just search Ebay with the prefix. Lets take 44039, top clamp (holder fork upper)
motors.shop.ebay.com/i.html?_from=R40&_t...3&_nkw=44039&_sacat=
1975 Z1 900
1994 KX250 Supermoto
2004 KX125
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18 May 2012 17:38 - 18 May 2012 17:41 #523185
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1980 kz1000B4 LTD- 1327cc 9-1 comp
Ported J model head
Psp-3x cams
RS 36s
Welded MK11 crank
Back-cut MK11 trans
MTC 2 stage lock up
Stretched 4-6 over running Hayabusa rear rim with 190 rear tire
Complete frame brace kit installed
And Much Much more- SOLD
2014- ZX14R all stock for now
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Stupid idea but could it possibly be bored?
1980 kz1000B4 LTD- 1327cc 9-1 comp
Ported J model head
Psp-3x cams
RS 36s
Welded MK11 crank
Back-cut MK11 trans
MTC 2 stage lock up
Stretched 4-6 over running Hayabusa rear rim with 190 rear tire
Complete frame brace kit installed
And Much Much more- SOLD
2014- ZX14R all stock for now
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18 May 2012 17:47 #523187
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Good lead.
Not so good outcome.
Knowing that the online microfiche is marginally less than 100% accurate, :ohmy: I checked the old acetate fiche dated Aug.83 (KZ1000-B3) for a possible different dust boot part number. To no avail. The part number referenced was that same 43054-003 previously referenced and shown in the images. Simply too small.
Interestingly though, the piston in the evilbay images has that distinct taper as shown in my file images.
Still baffled.
As far as part numbers, I don't have them in hand and can only communicate via email with our customer.
Thanks KidKawie, apprecaite you.
Not so good outcome.
Knowing that the online microfiche is marginally less than 100% accurate, :ohmy: I checked the old acetate fiche dated Aug.83 (KZ1000-B3) for a possible different dust boot part number. To no avail. The part number referenced was that same 43054-003 previously referenced and shown in the images. Simply too small.
Interestingly though, the piston in the evilbay images has that distinct taper as shown in my file images.
Still baffled.
As far as part numbers, I don't have them in hand and can only communicate via email with our customer.
Thanks KidKawie, apprecaite you.
Bakes <><
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18 May 2012 17:47 #523188
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73 Kawasaki Z1
07 HD CVO Ultra Classic
82 Suzuki GS 1100
74 Yamaha RD 350 (My two stroke toy)
77 Kawasaki KZ 650B-1 (My putt around bike)
80 Indian Moped (My American Iron)
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Long Gone
75 Suzuki GT550
74 GT 380
79 RD 400 Daytona Special
72 Honda CL 175
74 Honda QA 50
Tampa FL
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I was looking at a KH caliper the other day, the same mount spacing as the Z1 caliper and it looked very similar to the on you show in the pic. Have you ruled out a KH caliper?
73 Kawasaki Z1
07 HD CVO Ultra Classic
82 Suzuki GS 1100
74 Yamaha RD 350 (My two stroke toy)
77 Kawasaki KZ 650B-1 (My putt around bike)
80 Indian Moped (My American Iron)
1
Long Gone
75 Suzuki GT550
74 GT 380
79 RD 400 Daytona Special
72 Honda CL 175
74 Honda QA 50
Tampa FL
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18 May 2012 17:54 #523191
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1975 Z1 900
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Maybe the seals were packaged incorrectly.
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18 May 2012 17:56 #523193
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KH calipers are similar and use the 42mm piston and that same dust boot 43054-003. But the later calipers are cast so they're symetrically able to fit both right and left sides. Simply a matter of drilling the oil / banjo bolt inlet on one side of the bleeder passage or the other. KH's and the earlier calipers (pre-77 I think)didn't have that feature.
Good call, though.
Good call, though.
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