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27 Jun 2012 18:52 #532161
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77 KZ650 C1 basket case project-blowed up and parted out
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Part 26 of the basketcase chronicles...
Rear brake didn't move no matter how hard you stomped the pedal or how how many fat chicks you balanced on it. I assumed something was frozen in the master cylinder or caliper so I started taking it apart to rebuild both and found that its the spline the brake pedal attaches to that's frozen solid. I shot it full of deep creep this morning and plan on punding it through to see what the hell is going on. Anyone done this or had it happened? If I manage to get it to move, do I have enough clearance or will it hit the swingarm? What exectly could be frozen in there?
I saw the PO the other day and thought about giving him a swift kick in the nuts but then figured he probably had a cheesy chinese set bailing wired on where the original parts went. God, I hate him.
Rear brake didn't move no matter how hard you stomped the pedal or how how many fat chicks you balanced on it. I assumed something was frozen in the master cylinder or caliper so I started taking it apart to rebuild both and found that its the spline the brake pedal attaches to that's frozen solid. I shot it full of deep creep this morning and plan on punding it through to see what the hell is going on. Anyone done this or had it happened? If I manage to get it to move, do I have enough clearance or will it hit the swingarm? What exectly could be frozen in there?
I saw the PO the other day and thought about giving him a swift kick in the nuts but then figured he probably had a cheesy chinese set bailing wired on where the original parts went. God, I hate him.
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27 Jun 2012 19:07 #532166
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1977 KZ650-C1 Original Owner - Stock (with additional invisible FIAMM horn)
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When I removed mine for the first time a few years ago it was stuck pretty tight. I soaked it with Kroil for a couple days and was then able to wiggle it off. I cleaned everything up and used some anti-seize on the spline when I reinstalled so I won't have that problem again. I didn't need to use one, but is there any chance you can use a small gear puller to remove the pedal? Ed
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27 Jun 2012 19:14 #532170
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77 KZ650 C1 basket case project-blowed up and parted out
83 KZ550 M1-Prince to Toecutter transition
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I got the pedal off just fine...it's the spline itself thats frozen. OOOOO I have a dumb idea..Gonna put the pedal back on after a two day soak in PB blaster then nail that farging icehole with a sledge hammer. After that, I'll probably go scrounge junkyards for all the parts I broke and/or stripped.
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27 Jun 2012 19:31 #532175
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This happens to a lot of bikes ive had. you have to do what ed said. the spline isnt going to budge its welded.
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27 Jun 2012 19:41 #532176
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77 KZ650 C1 basket case project-blowed up and parted out
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What exactly is frozen in there? I looked at the parts blow up and dont see what the spine rotates on thats preventing the pedal from depressing. I can stand on the pedal like a running board and that thing will not depress one inch.
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27 Jun 2012 19:47 #532178
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When you got the peddal off did you clean the inside out. I use a dremmal with a wire wheel and then hit the spline with it as well then lube both up and place it back on. Have you done that?
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27 Jun 2012 20:03 #532183
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77 KZ650 C1 basket case project-blowed up and parted out
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I cleaned everything out and the pedal goes back on easily. I shot the whole thing with Deep Creep but it just won't rotate when I step on the brake.
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27 Jun 2012 20:19 #532189
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does the C1 have disk brakes?
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27 Jun 2012 20:25 #532191
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77 KZ650 C1 basket case project-blowed up and parted out
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Yes..single rear and dual front. I disconnected the master cylinder from the pedal and it still doesnt budge. I'm sure it's the spline thats frozen
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27 Jun 2012 21:21 #532211
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Your shaft is froze up in the aluminum
housing. The combination of aluminum and steel causes a chemical reaction that binds them together. You need to remove the housing, put it on something solid (an anvil or vise), heat it with a propane torch and tap it out (beat the crap out of it). Don't ruin the splines or mushroom the shaft. I then drill and tapped a hole on the bottom and screwed a grease zerk in so it didn't happen again. Good luck.
housing. The combination of aluminum and steel causes a chemical reaction that binds them together. You need to remove the housing, put it on something solid (an anvil or vise), heat it with a propane torch and tap it out (beat the crap out of it). Don't ruin the splines or mushroom the shaft. I then drill and tapped a hole on the bottom and screwed a grease zerk in so it didn't happen again. Good luck.
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27 Jun 2012 21:52 #532223
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77 KZ650 C1 basket case project-blowed up and parted out
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Sounds good...I'll soak it for a few days and see what comes loose. Thanks to everyone!
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29 Jun 2012 15:50 #532634
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77 KZ650 C1 basket case project-blowed up and parted out
83 KZ550 M1-Prince to Toecutter transition
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Update:
I beat on the pedal up and down with a hammer and now it depresses and returns...albeit not on it's own. The return spring no worky so go so back to the drawing board. On a good note, the brakes bled without a hitch and everything seems intact except the spring. I think I'm getting off cheap for once.
I beat on the pedal up and down with a hammer and now it depresses and returns...albeit not on it's own. The return spring no worky so go so back to the drawing board. On a good note, the brakes bled without a hitch and everything seems intact except the spring. I think I'm getting off cheap for once.
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