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77 KZ1000 stock to modern fork swap
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02 Sep 2012 12:53 #546196
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77 KZ1000 stock to modern fork swap was created by SeattleKZ
I've got a 1977 KZ1000 that I'm toying with doing the modern fork swap on. I can get all the machining figured out and done but there's a few things I can't seem to find info on. I'm looking for upside down modern forks that will work for the following. My plan is to find a set of forks and triples used from eBay so searching for forks by model,make and year would be helpful.
1.As far as handling goes will I get good performance in the corners if I use 18" wheels front and rear? When I say good performance I mean, as good as stock or slightly better because I have modern brakes and suspension. I don't need a bike capable of dragging knees at 100mph, I'm not that kind of rider.The reason for this question is, I'd like to try to do the swap and keep the stock look. My plan is to use aluminum rims, stainless spokes and stock hubs modified to receive modern brake rotors.
2.The answer to question #1 will effect the answer to this question. I really want the bike to sit at stock height when I'm done. Given that piece of info does anybody know of front forks that will do this with an 18" front wheel? How about with a 17" wheel if you're recommending 17" for the answer to question number #1. If you don't know of a fork that will fit the bill is there a website that has fork lengths associated with modern bikes?
I want to do this to get better braking, a more stable ride and because I can't leave well enough alone.
1.As far as handling goes will I get good performance in the corners if I use 18" wheels front and rear? When I say good performance I mean, as good as stock or slightly better because I have modern brakes and suspension. I don't need a bike capable of dragging knees at 100mph, I'm not that kind of rider.The reason for this question is, I'd like to try to do the swap and keep the stock look. My plan is to use aluminum rims, stainless spokes and stock hubs modified to receive modern brake rotors.
2.The answer to question #1 will effect the answer to this question. I really want the bike to sit at stock height when I'm done. Given that piece of info does anybody know of front forks that will do this with an 18" front wheel? How about with a 17" wheel if you're recommending 17" for the answer to question number #1. If you don't know of a fork that will fit the bill is there a website that has fork lengths associated with modern bikes?
I want to do this to get better braking, a more stable ride and because I can't leave well enough alone.
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02 Sep 2012 12:56 #546198
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Im not sure which front end to use but I can say theres a much better selection of 17" vs 18" rubber out there to be had,everybodys geared towards the 17" sportbike rims for decent rubber these days.
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02 Sep 2012 12:59 #546200
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Ive been drooling over magoos bike for many years,I believe he used some sort of aftermarket harley hubs with the wire wheels
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Ive been drooling over magoos bike for many years,I believe he used some sort of aftermarket harley hubs with the wire wheels
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03 Sep 2012 01:06 #546314
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78 Kz1000A2, 77 Cb750K daily rider, pinstriper and signpainter
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^^^That's a beaut! There's something so right about spoked wheels, although I do like the mags with an inverted from fork and swingarm swap.
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03 Sep 2012 01:34 #546318
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If you do your research you will find that you can use certain alloy rims and spoke kits allow you to go tubeless. Strength and style, a great combo.
Jon
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03 Sep 2012 06:49 - 03 Sep 2012 07:15 #546336
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List of fork lengths,
www.customfighters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53934
As for wheel size and handling, good 18" tires are near impossible to find, at least good compound ones and that in itself is a big plus towards handling. Also, with the newer usd forks, the offset is usually a lot less which adds trail which slows steering but improves high speed stability.
Here's a trail calculator to play with. www.rbracing-rsr.com/rakeandtrail.html
Most GSXR's have between 30 and 32mm, 1.181" and 1.260" offset, The ZX's have 24mm, 1.024" offset, stock KZ's have 60mm offset, 2.362".
Drop triple trees can gain some of stock height back
I will probably never run stock forks again after doing mine, except for restoration of the Z1, just the upgrade in brakes was worth the price of admission not to mention it is a visual plus.
Hope this helps, just keep asking if more info is needed.
Les
As for wheel size and handling, good 18" tires are near impossible to find, at least good compound ones and that in itself is a big plus towards handling. Also, with the newer usd forks, the offset is usually a lot less which adds trail which slows steering but improves high speed stability.
Here's a trail calculator to play with. www.rbracing-rsr.com/rakeandtrail.html
Most GSXR's have between 30 and 32mm, 1.181" and 1.260" offset, The ZX's have 24mm, 1.024" offset, stock KZ's have 60mm offset, 2.362".
Drop triple trees can gain some of stock height back
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I will probably never run stock forks again after doing mine, except for restoration of the Z1, just the upgrade in brakes was worth the price of admission not to mention it is a visual plus.
Hope this helps, just keep asking if more info is needed.
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03 Sep 2012 11:12 #546353
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Kaw-a-holic,
Good point, I will keep that in mind when I buy rims.
Les Holt,
Great info, thank you. I didn't realize the offset would be so different. I see you've made a dual shock swing arm that bolts on. What's your price range going to be for those?
Good point, I will keep that in mind when I buy rims.
Les Holt,
Great info, thank you. I didn't realize the offset would be so different. I see you've made a dual shock swing arm that bolts on. What's your price range going to be for those?
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06 Sep 2012 20:50 - 06 Sep 2012 20:57 #547155
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"IF EVERYONE HAS ONE, I DONT WANT ONE"
79 z1000st BUILD:
www.streetfighters.com.au/for...-OLDSKOOL-quot
R6 build:
www.customfighters.com/forums...ad.php?t=53108
KDX build:
www.dirtrider.net/forums3/sho...d.php?t=166143
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hey SeattleKZ,
mate if your looking to keep the stock wheel look, you need a set of Ducati sports classic or GT1000 wheels! they are 17" 3.5 front and 5" rear, but the best part is the front is twin disk with a 135mm spacing so they are perfect for modern USD forks!
here's a pic of how mine is sitting at the moment:
here are the wheels up close:
the standard GT1000 rims are chrome:
the bad thing is the fronts almost fuking impossiable to find..... the rears come up from time to time, your probablly looking at a $1500 a set, or you might get lucky if someone dosent know there worth....
i know Les is on the hunt for a set too. (hey Les)
mate if your looking to keep the stock wheel look, you need a set of Ducati sports classic or GT1000 wheels! they are 17" 3.5 front and 5" rear, but the best part is the front is twin disk with a 135mm spacing so they are perfect for modern USD forks!
here's a pic of how mine is sitting at the moment:
here are the wheels up close:
the standard GT1000 rims are chrome:
the bad thing is the fronts almost fuking impossiable to find..... the rears come up from time to time, your probablly looking at a $1500 a set, or you might get lucky if someone dosent know there worth....
i know Les is on the hunt for a set too. (hey Les)
"IF EVERYONE HAS ONE, I DONT WANT ONE"
79 z1000st BUILD:
www.streetfighters.com.au/for...-OLDSKOOL-quot
R6 build:
www.customfighters.com/forums...ad.php?t=53108
KDX build:
www.dirtrider.net/forums3/sho...d.php?t=166143
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06 Sep 2012 21:48 #547166
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1978 KZ1000 A2
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No eBay APP ID and/or Cert ID defined in Kunena configuration
This is the setup I am using about as close to plug and play
as you can get
I had to get fancy and want to run my stock 19 front wheel
which takes additional fabrication that i am very close to
having.
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This is the setup I am using about as close to plug and play
as you can get
I had to get fancy and want to run my stock 19 front wheel
which takes additional fabrication that i am very close to
having.
1978 KZ1000 A2
Thrown Together To Ride Til Winter
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Free Range Custom Art
1982/83 750R/GPZ
1984 Goldwing 1200 Interstate
1982 Yamahopper QT50
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2 79 HD sporty XLH
02 HD FLSTS Heritage
60's HD Hummer
70's Honda 550 Four
70 Yamaha 100
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07 Sep 2012 10:15 #547248
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Thanks for the info guys. Those Ducati wheels would be sweet. I'll keep my eyes peeled for a set.
Those forks are very reasonably priced. When the winter gets closer I'll have to grab a set.
Those forks are very reasonably priced. When the winter gets closer I'll have to grab a set.
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07 Sep 2012 12:41 #547277
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1978 KZ1000 A2
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1982/83 750R/GPZ
1984 Goldwing 1200 Interstate
1982 Yamahopper QT50
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2 79 HD sporty XLH
02 HD FLSTS Heritage
60's HD Hummer
70's Honda 550 Four
70 Yamaha 100
and various enduros dirtbikes minibikes...
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I think i gave less than 100 for mine but they were rough (straight but rough) it took checking ebay every day for weeks if you could find a complete set on craigs list get a set of triples and you could
be riding it same day
be riding it same day
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02 HD FLSTS Heritage
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70's Honda 550 Four
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07 Sep 2012 12:54 #547281
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76 KZ, frame gusset work,1200CC.Ported by Larry Cavanaugh, 1.5mm.over intakes, Carron Pipe, ZRX12 rear end, and seat,96zx9 front end.
01 CBR600F4i Track bike.
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94 to 97 zx9 forks r the longest i know of, in the upside down type.
the drop trees r a nice way of regaining ground clearance.
the drop trees r a nice way of regaining ground clearance.
76 KZ, frame gusset work,1200CC.Ported by Larry Cavanaugh, 1.5mm.over intakes, Carron Pipe, ZRX12 rear end, and seat,96zx9 front end.
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