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Tire Question: Mixing Radial and Bias ply Tires?
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18 Jan 2014 16:52 #619105
by 79MKII
The Kaw List:
Current: 79 KZ1000 A3 MKII, 78 KZ1000 A2, 78 KZ1000 Z1-R, 78 KZ650 SR, 80 KE175
Former: 03 KLX400SR, 99 ZRX1000, 82 KZ750 LTD, 80 KZ1000 A4 MKII, 80 KZ1000 LTD, 78 KZ1000 A2, 74 H-2 750 Triple, 78 KL250
Tire Question: Mixing Radial and Bias ply Tires? was created by 79MKII
I am seeing more and more motorcycles with a sportbike rear wheel and radial tire being run with a standard size, bias ply front tire. I have always been told that radial and bias ply cannot be mixed or very poor handling can occur. I have felt this on a car, btw. I think I had radials in the rear and bias ply on the front.
Does anybody have first hand experience with mixing tire types? I'd love to hear some real world information about this. I'm considering going with a more narrow dragbike style front wheel on my MKII but have a 180mm rear radial. They don't make super wide bias ply tires and you can't get skinny radials.....so what do you do?
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Does anybody have first hand experience with mixing tire types? I'd love to hear some real world information about this. I'm considering going with a more narrow dragbike style front wheel on my MKII but have a 180mm rear radial. They don't make super wide bias ply tires and you can't get skinny radials.....so what do you do?
Thanks
The Kaw List:
Current: 79 KZ1000 A3 MKII, 78 KZ1000 A2, 78 KZ1000 Z1-R, 78 KZ650 SR, 80 KE175
Former: 03 KLX400SR, 99 ZRX1000, 82 KZ750 LTD, 80 KZ1000 A4 MKII, 80 KZ1000 LTD, 78 KZ1000 A2, 74 H-2 750 Triple, 78 KL250
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18 Jan 2014 17:16 #619108
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1977 KZ650-C1 Original Owner - Stock (with additional invisible FIAMM horn)
Replied by 650ed on topic Tire Question: Mixing Radial and Bias ply Tires?
I don't have any experience mixing radials with bias tires, but if you use the bike on the street I would be very careful about installing a skinny front tire. It may have a detrimental effect on handling whether or not it is bias or radial, but more important regardless of the tire's construction if it is very narrow it will affect your ability to stop the bike quickly. During hard stops, 75 - 80% of the bike's braking is done by the front brake because of the weight transfer from rear to front. So with a narrow front tire the front is much more likely to skid in an emergency braking situation. It's definitely something to consider since it bumps up the risk factor of street riding. Ed
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18 Jan 2014 17:29 #619110
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74 Z1 1075, 29 smoothbores, owned and ridden since 1976
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Replied by kzz1king on topic Tire Question: Mixing Radial and Bias ply Tires?
I have mixed them up on my Kawi Concours as have many other Concourse owners.
Wayne
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18 Jan 2014 17:36 #619112
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The Kaw List:
Current: 79 KZ1000 A3 MKII, 78 KZ1000 A2, 78 KZ1000 Z1-R, 78 KZ650 SR, 80 KE175
Former: 03 KLX400SR, 99 ZRX1000, 82 KZ750 LTD, 80 KZ1000 A4 MKII, 80 KZ1000 LTD, 78 KZ1000 A2, 74 H-2 750 Triple, 78 KL250
Replied by 79MKII on topic Tire Question: Mixing Radial and Bias ply Tires?
Yes, great things to consider. I should have been more clear but what I meant was a standard size tire....maybe a 90/90 or 100/90. Skinny compared to modern sportbike rubber. There are no radials that will fit on a 1'.85" or 2.15" rim, so if you go with a fat rear tire, you have to change your front wheel to allow for a wider radial on the front too.
So the ultimate question I'm getting to is, "if you put a wide rear tire on your kz (160mm or wider), do you have to change your front wheel? If not, you have to mix radial and bias ply...is that OK?
So the ultimate question I'm getting to is, "if you put a wide rear tire on your kz (160mm or wider), do you have to change your front wheel? If not, you have to mix radial and bias ply...is that OK?
The Kaw List:
Current: 79 KZ1000 A3 MKII, 78 KZ1000 A2, 78 KZ1000 Z1-R, 78 KZ650 SR, 80 KE175
Former: 03 KLX400SR, 99 ZRX1000, 82 KZ750 LTD, 80 KZ1000 A4 MKII, 80 KZ1000 LTD, 78 KZ1000 A2, 74 H-2 750 Triple, 78 KL250
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18 Jan 2014 17:38 #619113
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The Kaw List:
Current: 79 KZ1000 A3 MKII, 78 KZ1000 A2, 78 KZ1000 Z1-R, 78 KZ650 SR, 80 KE175
Former: 03 KLX400SR, 99 ZRX1000, 82 KZ750 LTD, 80 KZ1000 A4 MKII, 80 KZ1000 LTD, 78 KZ1000 A2, 74 H-2 750 Triple, 78 KL250
Replied by 79MKII on topic Tire Question: Mixing Radial and Bias ply Tires?
Good to know, thanks. Why is it that they end up mixed on the Concours?kzz1king wrote: I have mixed them up on my Kawi Concours as have many other Concourse owners.
Wayne
The Kaw List:
Current: 79 KZ1000 A3 MKII, 78 KZ1000 A2, 78 KZ1000 Z1-R, 78 KZ650 SR, 80 KE175
Former: 03 KLX400SR, 99 ZRX1000, 82 KZ750 LTD, 80 KZ1000 A4 MKII, 80 KZ1000 LTD, 78 KZ1000 A2, 74 H-2 750 Triple, 78 KL250
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18 Jan 2014 18:43 #619119
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1980 kz1000B4 LTD- 1327cc 9-1 comp
Ported J model head
Psp-3x cams
RS 36s
Welded MK11 crank
Back-cut MK11 trans
MTC 2 stage lock up
Stretched 4-6 over running Hayabusa rear rim with 190 rear tire
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2014- ZX14R all stock for now
Replied by Powerstroke_fan on topic Tire Question: Mixing Radial and Bias ply Tires?
Not sure but iam running a 190 rear tire off a hayabusa with a stock size front tire and rim. I havent noticed any problems. i dont see why it would cause any problems.
1980 kz1000B4 LTD- 1327cc 9-1 comp
Ported J model head
Psp-3x cams
RS 36s
Welded MK11 crank
Back-cut MK11 trans
MTC 2 stage lock up
Stretched 4-6 over running Hayabusa rear rim with 190 rear tire
Complete frame brace kit installed
And Much Much more- SOLD
2014- ZX14R all stock for now
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18 Jan 2014 21:32 #619130
by bountyhunter
1979 KZ-750 Twin
Replied by bountyhunter on topic Tire Question: Mixing Radial and Bias ply Tires?
I thought the big taboo was mixing them on the same set of wheels on a car (front or rear) but I thought it was OK as long as the front had both the same and the rear had both the same. YMMV
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19 Jan 2014 17:57 #619223
by kzz1king
74 Z1 1075, 29 smoothbores, owned and ridden since 1976
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www.kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/532476...s-budget-turbo-build
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Replied by kzz1king on topic Tire Question: Mixing Radial and Bias ply Tires?
No, not mixed stock. Guys on the forums are mixing them and I have as well.
Wayne
Wayne
79MKII wrote:
Good to know, thanks. Why is it that they end up mixed on the Concours?kzz1king wrote: I have mixed them up on my Kawi Concours as have many other Concourse owners.
Wayne
74 Z1 1075, 29 smoothbores, owned and ridden since 1976
Home built KZ1000 turbo setup
www.kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/532476...s-budget-turbo-build
www.kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/532489-74-z-makeover
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