Z1 streetfighter with ZX10B parts - QUESTIONS! :)

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19 Feb 2015 18:54 #662107 by bogan79
Hey all,

I am embarking on a streetfighter project that is going to be a combination of a 75' Z1, and an 1988 Zx10B (with the ZX10 parts going on the Z1 Chasis). The front end seems to be a great swap out, but the rear swing arm seems to need to be shaved by a few MM at the Swing arm axle. I will also need to move 4 suspension Tabs, as i plan to go with a standard rear suspension as opposed to a Mono-shock. I am not quite sure what to do with the size difference between the Z-1 Swing arm bolt sizing and the larger ZX10 bolt sizing. Has anyone out there been through this transformation?

I have some questions for someone who knows more than i do.

Thanks!

Bo

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19 Feb 2015 21:49 #662118 by racer54
Usually on swaps where the new swingarm pivot bolt is larger then the KZ/Z bolt they have a spacer made to slip inside the swingarm to use the stock kz/z bolt.

1980 LTD (changed over the years), 1979 LTD (being rebuilt), 1977 KZ turbo and various KZ's in various states of build. KLX110

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20 Feb 2015 05:49 - 20 Feb 2015 05:50 #662125 by BohicaBob
Just make a spacer to take up the difference with the later model swingarm pivot bolt and the 16 mm Z1/KZ pivot bolt diameter. I had a pal make a spacer on his lathe to take up the 20 mm Suzuki Bandit 1200 swingarm pivot bolt size and this KZ's 16 mm pivot bolt. I also purchased swingarm-to-rear-shock brackets from PMC via Z1enterprises.com and had them welded on to fit Kawasaki ZRX1100/1200 shocks.



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20 Feb 2015 06:47 - 20 Feb 2015 06:54 #662131 by 531blackbanshee
Replied by 531blackbanshee on topic Z1 streetfighter with ZX10B parts - QUESTIONS! :)
here are some top hat style bushings that i machined out for benhurmx's zx636 to kz swingarm conversion.





this seems to be a very effective solution.
to the large diameter pivot bearing blues


hth,

leon

skiatook,oklahoma 1980 z1r,1978 kz 1000 z1r x 3,
1976 kz 900 x 3
i make what i can,and save the rest!

billybiltit.blogspot.com/

www.kzrider.com/forum/5-chassis/325862-triple-tree-custom-work

kzrider.com/forum/5-chassis/294594-frame-bracing?limitstart=0
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21 Jul 2015 07:41 #681972 by Copbike1000
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BohicaBob, I'm in the process of completing a swingarm swap on my 1994 KZ1000P, from stock to ZX636 swingarm. Do you mind my asking where you got the shock mounts from?

I know Z1enterprises.com sells them but they have been "out of stock" on the shock mounts for quite some time. I have attempted to order some through Ebay and Amazon but, I've gotten 3 sets that are too large for motorcycle applications.

1994 Kawasaki KZ1000P, Rancho Cordova, Ca
www.kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/598384...-project-bike#674472

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21 Jul 2015 11:12 - 21 Jul 2015 11:18 #682007 by 531blackbanshee
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i have welded a few sets of these on some zx arms before.
tracdynamics.com/products/weld-on-shock-towers

here is a set i welded on revboys zx arm.



you will also have to address the caliper shock interference scenario.

here you can see i modified a stock caliper mounting bracket also.

leon

skiatook,oklahoma 1980 z1r,1978 kz 1000 z1r x 3,
1976 kz 900 x 3
i make what i can,and save the rest!

billybiltit.blogspot.com/

www.kzrider.com/forum/5-chassis/325862-triple-tree-custom-work

kzrider.com/forum/5-chassis/294594-frame-bracing?limitstart=0
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21 Jul 2015 12:03 #682023 by floivanus
When I put shick mounts on my zx6 arm I just bought some 1/4" thick 6061 aluminum and cut them out myself, cost $12 and i have a ton extra material

my bikes; 80kz1000(project), 77 gl1000, 74 h2 (project)
Past; 78 kz1000, 83 kz550
Andrew

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21 Jul 2015 12:49 #682033 by davido
Leon sent me this link when I was going through the same thing.
tracdynamics.com/collections/swingarm-pa...weld-on-shock-towers
and also ebay had them but its gone now.
I ended up having a set made up at one of my local bike shops.Any half decent engineer with a milling machine should be able to knock you up a set.

Good luck

www.kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/594313-csr1000-project-build
CB550 (1978)
CB500/4 (1972)*
KZ1000CSR (1981)
XT 600E (1999)
TDM900 (2003)
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21 Jul 2015 19:15 #682097 by Copbike1000
Replied by Copbike1000 on topic Z1 streetfighter with ZX10B parts - QUESTIONS! :)
Just ordered a set of shock mounts from Tracdynamics. Thank you ALL for pointing me in the right direction. Almost done with my ZX636 to KZ swingarm swap. Me happy!!!!! Got a nice ZX636 polished swing arm from Ebay, $45.00.....free shipping. Cannot beat that. bought a Calfab swingarm back in the early 80's for my LTD1000. cost me $300.00 for the swingarm back then.

Work in progress.




1994 Kawasaki KZ1000P, Rancho Cordova, Ca
www.kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/598384...-project-bike#674472
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23 Jul 2015 23:32 - 23 Jul 2015 23:35 #682473 by Copbike1000
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Question guys, i'm in the process of getting the final details addressed with my swingarm swap out shown above. So, my question is... would it be safe to add a spacer behind the counter shaft sprocket on my KZ1000P to realign it with the rear sprocket or is it better to go with an offset counter shaft sprocket? Looks to me, that adding a spacer behind the counter sprocket would result in correct chain alignment as would an offset counter sprocket. I am shooting to run a 180 rear tire, hope it all fits!!!
Just received my shock mounts from tracdynamics, I need to have them welded on. Getting close to completing ZX636 swingarm swap. Cannot wait to see it all completed and back on the ground.

1994 Kawasaki KZ1000P, Rancho Cordova, Ca
www.kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/598384...-project-bike#674472
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24 Jul 2015 01:00 #682475 by davido
From what I understand, if you want a 180 tyre youre going to have to either scallop the inside of your frame or run the wheel off center to get the chain run straight and clear. (Please,correct me if Im wrong, people who have done this mod) .
I would be amazed if you can do it with just putting a spacer behind the front sprocket.The wheel would have to be way off center.( Again,correct me if Im wrong)
Whatever you do,keep in mind that the J model engine had a design flaw in that the front sprocket retaining bolt was prone to coming loose.
(A locking plate was offered as an aftermarket fix) so whatever you do,keep an eye on that and stay safe.



(P.S.Is this a hijack? I dont know what the etiquette is but it was started by bogan79,now answering questions from Copbike1000)

www.kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/594313-csr1000-project-build
CB550 (1978)
CB500/4 (1972)*
KZ1000CSR (1981)
XT 600E (1999)
TDM900 (2003)

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24 Jul 2015 02:35 #682477 by Copbike1000
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Good point! NEVER meant to hijack bogan79. I'd undo what I've posted but do not think that is possible. I will start new thread if I need to further discuss my mods.

1994 Kawasaki KZ1000P, Rancho Cordova, Ca
www.kzrider.com/forum/11-projects/598384...-project-bike#674472

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