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04 Jun 2015 16:57 #675267
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1982 Kawasaki KZ 750 R , Stock
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Anyone have experience with the Progressive type front springs? I have an 82 GPZ 750 and I would like a more up to date feel on the front suspension without changing out the forks. Will Progressive spring cartridges do the trick or no? I have heard pros and cons. Tell me your experiences. I just want a better ride with more control. I won't be carving up canyons or anything. All advice is welcome, jut trying to learn here.
1982 Kawasaki KZ 750 R , Stock
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04 Jun 2015 18:10 - 04 Jun 2015 18:12 #675279
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Over the 40 years I've owned my bike I've tried different things. Different oil weights, installed air chucks and different tires.
I had a balance tube but keeping the right pressure was next to impossible. It did nothing for the quality of the ride, just made it stiffer.
I've always wanted progressive springs but in the day, the cost was out of reach. Today they are affordable. Something worth noting; With the stock springs and oil weight, the tire would bounce at speed. In time the tire would wear and the bounce would become more apparent. No amount of balancing would correct this. At that point the tire is shot. The idea is how to keep the tire on the road no matter the conditions. Handling is improved as well as tire life.
I saved a link for some dampening bushings for vintage fork and slider arrangements. From what I read, it would bring the forks up to near modern standards. Again cost is a factor.
My advise is to get some progressive springs. It's the first step to fine tuning a front end.
BTW, progressive springs were the affordable hot set up in the 70's for shocks and are still.
Steve
I had a balance tube but keeping the right pressure was next to impossible. It did nothing for the quality of the ride, just made it stiffer.
I've always wanted progressive springs but in the day, the cost was out of reach. Today they are affordable. Something worth noting; With the stock springs and oil weight, the tire would bounce at speed. In time the tire would wear and the bounce would become more apparent. No amount of balancing would correct this. At that point the tire is shot. The idea is how to keep the tire on the road no matter the conditions. Handling is improved as well as tire life.
I saved a link for some dampening bushings for vintage fork and slider arrangements. From what I read, it would bring the forks up to near modern standards. Again cost is a factor.
My advise is to get some progressive springs. It's the first step to fine tuning a front end.
BTW, progressive springs were the affordable hot set up in the 70's for shocks and are still.
Steve
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04 Jun 2015 18:35 #675285
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1978 z1000 Streetfighter
1976 z900 Stripfighter (work in progress)
1983 Gpz750 Resto-Mod
1989 Vmax
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I have Racetech straight-rate spring in my Gsxr's forks and a 1" lowering kit from Progressive in my Vmax's forks. I can say that good springs with the right oil weight and level really helps.
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1976 z900 Stripfighter (work in progress)
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04 Jun 2015 20:22 #675298
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321,000 miles on KZ's that I can remember. Not going to see any more.
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I put Progressive springs in the 1979 KZ1000MKII soon after I bought it in 1983. The stock springs were extremely lame and most the travel was taken up by simply sitting on the bike. The progressives worked great and were a big improvement. Of course this was 30 years back, so I'm not sure the same company even exists today. They call themselves the same name, so hopefully still decent.
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04 Jun 2015 20:27 #675300
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Sooo, what's the name? :huh:
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04 Jun 2015 21:08 #675308
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321,000 miles on KZ's that I can remember. Not going to see any more.
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I mean they sold Progressive springs 30yrs back, not sure Progressive sold today is the same exact thing. Hope so, but you never know.
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04 Jun 2015 21:16 #675309
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I bought progressive rate springs. I don't know who made them. I had no idea that was a company logo as well.
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05 Jun 2015 05:36 #675335
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1982 GPz750 R1
1974 Kawasaki H1
1976 Kawasaki KZ400
1979 Yamaha XS650 cafe'
2001 KZ1000P
2001 Yamaha YZ426
1981 Honda XR200 stroked in an '89 CR125 chassis
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Replied by ThatGPzGuy on topic better option for front springs.....Progressive?
These are the ones you want.
Progressive Suspension
I am thinking about this as well. I am replacing fork seals so while I am at it...
Progressive Suspension
I am thinking about this as well. I am replacing fork seals so while I am at it...
Jim
North GA
2016 Yamaha FJR1300ES
1982 GPz750 R1
1974 Kawasaki H1
1976 Kawasaki KZ400
1979 Yamaha XS650 cafe'
2001 KZ1000P
2001 Yamaha YZ426
1981 Honda XR200 stroked in an '89 CR125 chassis
1965 Mustang
1967 Triumph GT6
1976 Bronco
"If you didn't build it, it's not really yours"
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05 Jun 2015 05:57 #675336
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Those are the ones I have. Same packaging. The price is about the same as well. No more tire bounce and the bike handles better.
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05 Jun 2015 08:26 #675356
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1978 KZ650 B2
Former rides...1976 CB360T, 1985 Shadow 700, 1985 GPZ750Turbo
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I installed progressive springs & racetech cartidge fork emulators...night & day difference from the tired, saggy, original forks
1978 KZ650 B2
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05 Jun 2015 08:28 #675357
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'78 KZ 650C2 'Lila'
'71 Norton Commando 750 'Eadie'
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Replied by Jonny on topic better option for front springs.....Progressive?
Replacing the original and probably fairly tired springs in my '78 650C was one of the fairly short list of 'modern\ upgrades I did a couple of years back. I haven't yet played around too much with alternate oil weights, or amounts, but on the whole, they did stiffen up the ride a little, and give me generally better road feel and control.
I think that for the price they are well worth it, and help out a fair bit. Really, when you consider the cost of replacing the fixed rate factory springs with NOS, or new Kawasaki if they are available, going to the progressive rate springs isn't that costly... FWIW, I also replaced the rears at the same time with Progressive sealed units, which probably helps explain the overall improvement in ride quality. If they were to wear out/get tired, I would however, consider spending the big money on a set that are rebuild-able instead of another set of sealed ones. Bigger upfront cost, but the rebuild kits are pretty cheap....
I think that for the price they are well worth it, and help out a fair bit. Really, when you consider the cost of replacing the fixed rate factory springs with NOS, or new Kawasaki if they are available, going to the progressive rate springs isn't that costly... FWIW, I also replaced the rears at the same time with Progressive sealed units, which probably helps explain the overall improvement in ride quality. If they were to wear out/get tired, I would however, consider spending the big money on a set that are rebuild-able instead of another set of sealed ones. Bigger upfront cost, but the rebuild kits are pretty cheap....
'78 KZ 650C2 'Lila'
'71 Norton Commando 750 'Eadie'
St. Catharines, ON (Mostly, anyway...)
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