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Z1 Front Rotor Lockwashers - Distorting
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Everything's going great until I go to fit one of the two new rotors. 6 brand new bolts, 3 brand new two-bolt locking 'tab' washers. Threads were chased. I'm using Loctite blue on the bolts.
FSM gives a torque range of 25-33 ft/lbs. I set my click-style torque wrench at 15 lbs for a first pass. All is fine. I bump it up to 22 for a second pass, and notice that the lockwashers are distorting under the bolt heads - buckling and twisting. By the time I get to 30 for my final clamp down, the lockwashers are almost torn in two.
There are no regular washers under these bolt heads obviously as this would make the tabs on the lockwashers useless, so it's obviously the underside of the bolt heads that are biting into the lockwasher and causing this distortion. (The Factory Parts Manual shows nothing but the bolts and the lockwashers either.)
Has anyone else had this problem, or am I just doing something really dumb here?
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DoctoRot wrote: I haven't heard about this happening, but there is no real need to use lock washers if you are using lock tight; unless you are going for a resto of course. Are you using the stock flange bolts? perhaps put the tiniest film of grease under the flange to prevent the bolt from biting in the soft lock washer.
Yep the bolts are stock - brand spanking new from Z1 Parts as part of their dual disc conversion kit.
I might just scrap the lockwashers, clean up the bolts, add flat and spring washers and hit them with some red Loctite.
It's along the lines of a restoration, but I'm not looking to build a trailer queen by any means. There are a number of parts that were chromed by one of the POs that I'm not going to change back to standard, so I'm not looking for any more than 95% originality.
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Not worried about Original, just lock washer and blue loc-tite
Want original, find an OEM set and re-zinc plate them.
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They're definitely sub-par on the quality - a lot softer material than other tab washers I've come across. Unfortunately the originals were not on the front rotor when I disassembled. I got these as part of the dual-disc conversion kit as mentioned previously. (As a 'heads-up' they were in a bag labeled 'Koyama'.)
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I'm dumping these and going with Loctite and regular washers. I may look for some originals down the road, but the prices people are asking for these in OEM baggies are ridiculous.
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Kidkawie wrote: whoever you bought that "kit" from should find another supplier if you can't even use the things as they were intended.
Agreed. Next time I call Z1 Parts I am going to let them know about this problem.
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