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18 Dec 2016 11:29 #750368 by jertho
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Is there any advantage or disadvantage to using a master cylinder for a dual disc brake on a single disc brake?
Thanks, Jerry

1978 kz750 twin

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18 Dec 2016 14:30 #750379 by 650ed
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Not a good idea. Brake lever feel will not be as good as when the master and # of calipers are a matched set. Ed

1977 KZ650-C1 Original Owner - Stock (with additional invisible FIAMM horn)

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18 Dec 2016 17:35 #750387 by martin_csr
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I haven't done the math, but with a larger Fr Br mc bore I think you'll have to squeeze the lever harder.

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18 Dec 2016 20:38 #750400 by Jussumguy
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Word on the street is a 14mm master cylender works well with a 4 piston brembo caliper.

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19 Dec 2016 07:07 #750415 by jertho
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What is the original bore of a kz750 twin with single disc?
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1978 kz750 twin

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19 Dec 2016 07:10 #750417 by Nessism
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For most bikes of the KZ era the dual disc bikes used a master with a 5/8" bore and the single disc bikes use a 14mm bore master. I have no idea why the mix of metric and imperial dimensions for these parts, that's just the way it was. HOWEVER, there are examples where smaller masters were used on dual disc bikes. I believe some of the later year KZ550 bikes for example. Using a smaller bore master will lead to more lever travel but less hand pressure for the same level of braking force at the brakes. Some people may like this trade off, but others may not since the level feels more "spongy". Using a large bore master will create the opposite situation: the lever feel will be very firm, but you must squeeze quite hard to create the same amount of stopping force at the brake compared to a smaller bore master.

If anyone wants to try a smaller bore master be sure to upgrade your brake line to teflon/stainless at the same time to reduce flexing. Changing your brake lines is something that should be done regardless since 35/40 year old rubber parts are just plain bad. At any rate, the stiffer brake line will reduce some of the spongy feeling at the lever.
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19 Dec 2016 08:05 #750421 by jertho
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Thank you nessism This is just the kind of information I was looking for.
Jerry

1978 kz750 twin

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19 Dec 2016 11:50 #750434 by missionkz
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jertho wrote: Thank you nessism This is just the kind of information I was looking for.
Jerry

Before going too far mixing two different plungers, pistons, master cylinders and and calipers... read up on Pascal's Laws of hydraulics.

Bruce
1977 KZ1000A1
2016 Triumph T120 Bonneville
Far North East Metro Denver Colorado

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