'81 GPz550 No Startie Thread

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05 Apr 2024 12:31 #897283 by chopper1963
'81 GPz550 No Startie Thread was created by chopper1963
1981 GPz550 stock engine. Refreshed top end. Confirmed cleaned carbs. Pods because I don't want to do the airbox dance again. I saw through the pilot jets with my own eyes.

Battery is confirmed good.

Confirmed ignition by pulling 1 and 4 plugs, laying plug on cylinder head and seeing spark.

Confirmed fuel in bowls by cracking each screw on bottom of bowl. Fuel flows out.

Spins but will not do the first start. Choke on, choke off. No difference.

Tried a short spray of starting fluid on pods. #3 cylinder popped back a bit twice, but other than that, dead.
Spins over well.

Suggestions welcome.

TIA

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05 Apr 2024 13:51 #897289 by Warren3200gt
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Have you checked  you have full battery voltage to the coils? A spark from a plug laying on the head may not spark under compression when fitted if voltage to coil is low. 


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05 Apr 2024 14:42 #897293 by sf4t7
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Hate to admit this here, but when I tried starting my "refreshed" Z1 I got sort of a backfire thru the airbox and no start, but had spark with plug laying on head.  Turns out I had the coil trigger wires from the generic dyna ignition reversed. Switched them and it started right up.  (In my defense, the colors of the trigger wires on the conversion are white for 1-4 and black for 2-3; and I got them mixed up : wires from original points were black for 1-4 and green for 2-3).  It was still a noob error.         Maybe that happened to yours?  If so it's an easy fix !


Scotty

1974 Z1A
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Andrews 1X Cams
Delkevic 4 into 1
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05 Apr 2024 15:09 #897294 by chopper1963
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I talked to my mechanic who suggested the same. Going for an inspection now.
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05 Apr 2024 18:50 #897306 by chopper1963
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Do you happen to know what the battery voltage is supposed to be to the coils?

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05 Apr 2024 18:51 #897307 by chopper1963
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I confirmed that the coils are connected properly. I also swapped to another set of functioning on a second bike carbs. Still spins like crazy and no start even on a shot of ether.

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05 Apr 2024 20:23 #897310 by sf4t7
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The coils should be getting as close to full battery voltage as possible,  I added the "wired george relay" to mine.  See Wookie's post from april 2022 titled "ignition by-pass relay - W"


Scotty

1974 Z1A
1015
welded Z1 crank
Andrews 1X Cams
Delkevic 4 into 1
Superbike bars
530 conversion
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06 Apr 2024 06:01 #897313 by chopper1963
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No joy
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06 Apr 2024 06:49 #897314 by TexasKZ
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No power to coils, or power to coils but no fire?

1982 KZ1000 LTD parts donor
1981 KZ1000 LTD awaiting resurrection
2000 ZRX1100 not ridden enough

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06 Apr 2024 08:22 - 06 Apr 2024 08:23 #897316 by Nessism
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Cam or ignition time may be 180 degrees out.  Don't ask me how I know...

Ignition can be checked by switching coil leads.  Cam timing is best checked with the plug out, watching visually to make sure 1-4 is at the top of the stroke before you verify the cam timing marks are correct.
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07 Apr 2024 05:45 #897337 by ThatGPzGuy
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Another vote for checking the cam timing. Is there suction at the carb? Have you tried a shot of ether to rule out a fuel problem? 

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07 Apr 2024 06:15 #897338 by Rolf1976_KZ900
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After a start attemt Check if the plugs are wet. If they are dry and this sounds silly but did you remember to set the mixturescrews out. Check compression and as already mentioned check timing.
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